Judge direct questions to LS. Chavez, Montoya respond.
Judge's direct questions of LS -Judge Baca. Emilio Chavez does re-re-direct. Sara Montoya, does re-cross.
Judge Baca: Alright, let me ask the attorneys to approach for a moment.
Long Sidebar Jury has submitted questions that they are requesting be asked of Healed. Judge Baca: Alright, there are some questions that I have, alright? What were the ages of the people that you lived with on the land?
Judge Baca: If you know.
L.S.: Purity was fifty-four and Armahna was fifty-six I think.
Judge Baca: Ok. When you talk about God, are you talking about the defendant are you talking about another being?
L.S.: Another being.
Judge Baca: Another being?
Judge Baca: What do you consider the defendant or Michael to be, God or to be something else?
L.S.: The Son of God.
Judge Baca: The Son of God?
L.S.: Yes. Messiah.
Judge Baca: When you were talking about... At one point, you were saying that you were thinking about the desire that you felt in your heart about laying naked with Michael...
Judge Baca: ...and that you had brought it up on one occasion with your parents. Where were they living at that point in time?
L.S.: Clayton. I think, where they’re at now.
Judge Baca: Ok, and was this... Did you talk to them about this before or after?
Judge Baca: And did you ever talk about it again?
Judge Baca: After or before?
Judge Baca: After it happened, you discussed with them what happened?
L.S.: Yes. I did also talk to them another time before...
Judge Baca: Ok.
L.S.: ...it happened.
Judge Baca: So, there was two times that you talked with them before?
L.S.: I... believe I did.
Judge Baca: And did they ever say it was ok or not ok?
Judge Baca: They didn’t give you an answer?
L.S.: No. They just said that they didn’t think they were ready.
Judge Baca: That they didn’t think... Ok.
Emilio Chavez: Your Honor, I’m having a hard time hearing Healed. If you would, ask her to sit closer to the microphone.
Judge Baca: Get closer to the microphone. Alright. Was Michael dressed or undressed when you arrived at the house?
L.S.: He was undressed.
Judge Baca: Alright. And how did you know that?
L.S.: Because he told me.
Judge Baca: Where was his chest laying on your body?
L.S.: Right here.
Judge Baca: Ok. And your indicating... you might turn around so the jury might see you.
L.S.: It was right here.
Judge Baca: And you’re indicating an area about your abdomen. Is that correct?
Judge Baca: Any objections to that description?
Ms. Montoya: No, your Honor.
Emilio Chavez: No objection, your Honor.
Judge Baca: Let me ask you this. Before, you said that you were not, you didn’t feel that you were special or different from anybody else on the land.
Judge Baca: Did you feel special or different because you were chosen as one of the messengers?
L.S.: Well, I knew that God had given me an experience that he didn’t... ordain for others. But it wasn’t like I was holier or better than others.
Judge Baca: Did the jury hear that answer? Alright. Based on the questions that I’ve asked, does the State have any additional questions?
Ms. Montoya: Alright. I believe one of the jurors indicated that they did not hear the answer your Honor.
Judge Baca: Ok, someone didn’t hear that last answer? Alright let me ask you to turn around and answer that question.
Judge Baca: Go ahead and answer the question that, "Did you feel special, because you were one of the seven messengers?"
L.S.: Uhm... I knew that God had anointed me and given me an experience that he didn’t ordain for others. But it wasn’t like I was holier or better than others.
Judge Baca: Ok. And I do have one other question that I forgot. Did Michael or Mr. Bent ever ask you if it was ok that he was undressed?
Judge Baca: Was it ok with you that he was undressed?
L.S.: Yes. (spoken loudly in a determined manner) It was my desire.
Judge Baca: Ok. Alright does the State have questions based on the questions that I asked?
Emilio Chavez: Just briefly your Honor.
Judge Baca: Alright.
Emilio Chavez: We talked about the abdomen range of where his chest was.
Emilio Chavez: So, you know you have your chest and you have your arms... So, where was his arms while you were laying chest to chest?
L.S.: I believe they were on the sides but I do not remember that.
Emilio Chavez: Would you say his arms were at his sides like this?
L.S.: I don’t remember.
Emilio Chavez: Does that appear to be a comfortable position if he was laying like that?
Emilio Chavez: No further questions.
Judge Baca: Ok. Does the Defense have additional questions based on the questions by the Court?
Ms. Montoya: You asked if you could tell if he was naked. And he told you. Was it kinda like a warning, "I’m not clothed?" Was he kinda trying to warn you?
L.S.: No. The reason I knew Michael was unclothed was I actually don’t know if I knew at first. But when I got in bed with him and we started talking Michael told me that just before I had come he had taken off his shorts or something, I don’t remember.
Ms. Montoya: Did he get unclothed because you had come?
Ms. Montoya: Ok. And when you say he is the Son of God, Messiah, would you please tell us what does the word Messiah mean to you?
L.S.: That’s kinda hard to explain.
Ms. Montoya: Am I the Son of God?
L.S.: Well, you are a Son of God.
Ms. Montoya: Are you the Son of God?
L.S.: I am a Son of God.
Ms. Montoya: So are people who believe in God the Sons of God?
Ms. Montoya: Thank you, nothing further.
Judge Baca: Alright. Is there any further need for this witness?
Emilio Chavez: The State excuses this witness your Honor.
Judge Baca: Alright.
Ms. Montoya: She does appear on our witness list your Honor and we’d like to have her available.
Judge Baca: Alright, you’re excused for today. You may be subject to recall later.
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